In my return episode, I’m talking to Madeleine Karako, the creator of Zelie Crafts. We chat about running a business while being a mom, making sense of suffering (including a tragic story about her midwife), and the amazing story of St. Zelie, who inspired Madeleine’s business. 

Zelie Crafts products we talked about:

The Lacemaker book (affiliate link)

Read Victoria’s novel, The Love We Vow (affiliate link)

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